Yesterday my son got in trouble at school

"CalzoneGolem" (calzonegolem) 01/23/2019 at 16:00 • Filed to: None

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his friends were making fun of the president. My son was simply next to them in line and he laughed at them being silly. He’s 9.

Now ... I wouldn’t have an issue if he were getting in trouble for being disruptive. 3rd graders are quite silly. I wonder how many times someone has been told on because they were making fun of the president.

What do you even say to a child after that?

Just Jeepin' > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:05

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“ Good boy, keep it up”

someassemblyrequired > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:06

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“It’s your absolute right to make fun of the president, but it can’t disrupt class.”

If this is just because a teacher or principal is all MAGA, call the ACLU.

OPPOsaurus WRX > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:07

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next time dont get caught

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:07

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You say “It’s your right, but t his p resident is not worth getting in trouble over in school, be it detention or worse . So stop making things difficult for yourself by not talking about him in the future”

CalzoneGolem > someassemblyrequired 01/23/2019 at 16:11

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Nah, it’s a schoolmate that’s a tattler despite being a 5th grader.

CalzoneGolem > Just Jeepin' 01/23/2019 at 16:12

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Ah, he was just laughing because his buddies were being silly. I’m not constantly trashing El Presidente like a number of other parents at school.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:13

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Positive and facetious spin:

Better to get in trouble now than to turn into that coworker who talks PERLATIKS all day loudly, right? Well all know that guy...

WilliamsSW > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:14

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Wait - who’s 9? Your son or the president?

Oh, both. Got it. :)

CalzoneGolem > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/23/2019 at 16:14

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It wasn’t clear from my comment but he wasn’t even saying anything. He’s just guilty by association. We’ve made it pretty clear that that kind of behavior is unacceptable treatment of any human beings .

CalzoneGolem > WilliamsSW 01/23/2019 at 16:15

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Shh you’re going to get a note sent home to my mom!

For Sweden > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:16

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Americans: Elect caricature game show host president

Kids: Make fun of president

Americans:

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:16

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Did you learn what he actually said?

It’s really hard to teach respect for adults and people in authority when this “adult” person in authority is such a despicable asshole (and his behavior is acceptable enough to enough people that they put him where he is). How do you tell a kid they can’t say certain things when they can say “the President says it”?

And thinking about recent events, how can a school tell a student that they can’t wear a MAGA hat? As much baggage comes along with it because of everything Trump has said and stands for , it’s a freedom of speech issue, similar to wearing a Obama “ Change” t-shirt (but clearly much, much more divisive). 

CalzoneGolem > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/23/2019 at 16:17

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I had to google PERLATIKS

Chariotoflove > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:18

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So, my understanding is that your son got in trouble for joining in making fu n of the president?

It depends on how it went down. If he was part of being disruptive in class, then he learned a lesson about appropriate behavior. If he got in trouble for criticizing the president, then that’s wrong because we need to learn to protect free speech, and I would complain about the teacher that punished him.

But there is another thing that we have a responsibility to teach our kids, and that is how to express yourself. Saying crude or mean things in public is not acceptable in most schools, regardless of the content, nor should it be. Our kids should learn how to be civil and respectful in how they express themselves. That is even more important in today’s society where civility seems to have gone out the window, and people shout expletive-laden diatribes while their cohorts egg them on.

So making fun of the president itself shouldn’t be a cause for punishment.  But depending on how it was done, it could be.

CalzoneGolem > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 01/23/2019 at 16:18

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H e didn’t say anything. He just laughed at his friends being silly.

We’ve made it clear that it is not acceptable to mock anyone. 

CalzoneGolem > Chariotoflove 01/23/2019 at 16:19

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I didn’t make it clear but he wasn’t mocking the president and he knows not to mock anyone. He was just laughing at his friends being silly while standing in line. 

KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:20

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Ah, got it. Then by all means raise hell if he didn’t even say anything . And I’m p retty sure I saw the kid who told on him on TV recently

CalzoneGolem > KingT- 60% of the time, it works every time 01/23/2019 at 16:21

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Yeah ... that looks like the guy. 

wafflesnfalafel > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:24

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I believe it’s Russian...

Censored > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:24

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It is sad to me that kids find themselves involved in politics. My daughter is 7 and seems to have an opinion. DAUGHTER, YOU’RE 7, GO OUTSIDE AND PLAY. Kids in her school literally have political discussions at the lunch table. At 7, my most mature conversation was trying to sneak cuss words into non cuss words, a’la “my back b-itches”.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:27

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...in public, no matter how much they deserve it. 

marshknute > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:27

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What was the setting? Lunch table? Hallway? Answering a question in front of the class?

I could see that 3rd example  maybe violating a school policy, but otherwise it seems pretty crazy that a political joke would get him in trouble. 

CalzoneGolem > marshknute 01/23/2019 at 16:29

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They were in line for lunch. 

CalzoneGolem > Censored 01/23/2019 at 16:31

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Some of these kids must hear their parents ranting about Trump a lot based on what I’m hearing.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:32

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God bless...also fuck whoever got him in  trouble

Chariotoflove > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:32

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Well then that seems wrong.  You can’t punish someone for laughing.

marshknute > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:40

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Well assuming it wasn’t an inappropriate joke ( “ grab’em by the p****y ” or something of that nature) ...that’s fucking rediculous.

I’d honesty suggest calling the school and asking what written policy was violated. If it was a standard joke made outside of class, there’s really no reason why he should get in trouble.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > For Sweden 01/23/2019 at 16:40

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Big, if true

For Sweden > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 01/23/2019 at 16:43

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Big league if not fake news

Sovande > Chariotoflove 01/23/2019 at 16:46

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Sure you can. See story above. 

Chariotoflove > Sovande 01/23/2019 at 16:46

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Well you shouldn’t be able to.

Monkey B > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:47

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I see it’s not getting better. W hen my daughter (24 now) was in 7th grade she got arrested, that’s right arrested, for starting a good old fashioned food fight in the cafeteria...ARRESTED! What a waste of time. They didn’t even make the kids clean it up...which would have been the proper punishment. In the end it was more hassle for me than her. You know how hard it was to discipline her for something I would have otherwise glossed over, and secretly wanted to fist bump her because epic food fight.

I’m glad I was a 70's/80's kid.

Thir-STi > someassemblyrequired 01/23/2019 at 16:53

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yeesh you’re excitable

Future next gen S2000 owner > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:55

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Did the school actually punish him for the content or the laughing? I get that he was just laughing at his chums but I think that is an important distinction.

Censored > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 16:56

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Yep, and the things that come home with her are amazing. Like the current President or not, some of the talking points that are making it to our children are sad. Folks need to figure out that children are listening all the time, but they don’t understand rhetoric, the use of sarcasm or stretching to emphasize. 

BrianGriffin thinks “reliable” is just a state of mind > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 17:28

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I still, for the life of me, can’t understand why a teacher would punish kids for laughing / joking / basically anything short of assault during their LUNCH PERIOD. That’s their time to be themselves, and as long as they’re not abusing another child at school, let them be.

I’d have a serious conversation with the school about their level of discipline and how it’s enforced, regardless of the topic that the kids were discussing. 

yamahog > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 17:39

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What do you even say to a child after that?

something something FREEZE PEACH!!

(I’m kidding, sounds like you handled it just fine) 

Shamoononon drives like a farmer > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 18:49

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My daughter and her friend almost got suspended for drawing a picture of a ‘ gun’ that shot rainbows at people. Granted it said ‘I hate daycare’ but there were also hearts and balloons in the pictures. D id I mention, i t shot rainbows? I think she wa s 8 or 9. School psychologist, principal, police, etc, etc.

The other girls mom was so enraged she took her phone and tossed it out the car on the way home....

I just told my kid ‘Kind of dumb, huh? I guess we learned not to draw rainbows guns at school’.

The Dummy Gummy > CalzoneGolem 01/23/2019 at 19:30

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It’s super disheartening to watch adults rob children of their childhood by including them as a part of their agenda. Sad days.

someassemblyrequired > Thir-STi 01/23/2019 at 21:11

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Original post was shorter and made it sound like the kid was singled out:

CalzoneGolem > The Dummy Gummy 01/24/2019 at 07:24

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Yeah these kids don’t need this burden.

CalzoneGolem > Shamoononon drives like a farmer 01/24/2019 at 07:24

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That’s some good parenting and some really bad parenting.

CalzoneGolem > Censored 01/24/2019 at 07:27

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There’s always some parents that can’t shut up about the president.

CalzoneGolem > Future next gen S2000 owner 01/24/2019 at 07:29

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It’s hard to say. I believe it was just for being disruptive but why mention the content? 

CalzoneGolem > Monkey B 01/24/2019 at 07:29

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WTF?! That’s some ignorant shit right there.

CalzoneGolem > marshknute 01/24/2019 at 07:34

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I’m sure they’d tell me the  actual reason is that they were being disruptive. 

CalzoneGolem > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 01/24/2019 at 07:36

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Yeah that kid is a shit. Next year he’ll be in a different school so we’ve got that going for us, which is nice.

Sovande > Chariotoflove 01/24/2019 at 08:22

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It’s a school. When you send your kids to school you are basically entering into a contract with them in which they dictate the rules, interpretation of said rules, enforcement and punishment. In my opinion, the Trump aspect of the story has nothing to do with anything. It doesn’t matter if they were joking around about Trump or wet farts (is there a difference?), they were doing something that someone interpreted as a disruption and as a result they got in trouble.

Everyone has some pathological need to inject politics into every discussion and this is the direct result of that. “My innocent child was laughing at dick jokes in line at lunch and got in trouble, boo hoo” doesn’t have the same impact as “my child was laughing at Trump jokes.” It’s stupid. It’s a non-story. They didn’t expel anyone.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > CalzoneGolem 01/24/2019 at 09:50

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I take it this isn't your first run-in with said shit?

CalzoneGolem > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 01/24/2019 at 10:07

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Nope him and this one girl are like the dynamic tattle duo. 

Future next gen S2000 owner > CalzoneGolem 01/24/2019 at 10:18

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I think that is the bigger question.

Thir-STi > someassemblyrequired 01/24/2019 at 10:25

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ah gotchya, thanks

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > CalzoneGolem 01/24/2019 at 10:33

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Ugh you just took me back to my kindergarten year....this one boy and girl were “madly in love” (the first of our class to ever kiss... on the lips! o_O) and they made it their pact to always “report any wrong”. Mind you, we were only in kindergarten. Flash forward to the year i left Ch icago, last i saw them they were the realllllly weird type, so yeah. They’ll get whats coming to them at some point. Sad thing is half the time its not their fault they were raised like that, other times they’re just natural born assholes. This seems like the latter lmao

CalzoneGolem > HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute 01/24/2019 at 10:37

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I can confirm that the parents have raised these kids like this.

Chariotoflove > Sovande 01/24/2019 at 11:07

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I agree that the issue isn’t about trump here, and I hope it had nothing to do with the teacher’s actions.  To me, the issue at hand is the appropriate response to kid’s behaviors. You want to teach them propriety, but you also don’t want to beat them down like their in boot camp.

HondoyotaE38: A Japanese and German Collab...wait a minute > CalzoneGolem 01/24/2019 at 11:39

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Oof. Poor kids. It’s different if they were older and had a mind for themselves and more self-sufficient, but they’re only 9 so until they gain self sufficiency they’re either gonna stay like that due to being raised like it or rebel and grow an actual brain